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Rewatching In the Beginning

Welcome to “‘1.21 Gigawatts!’ ‘You are my density!’”: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s4e3: In the Beginning.

  Cas sends Dean back in time to meet his parents and his grandparents and to witness the moment when the Yellow-Eyed Demon sinks his claws into Mary.  Dean decides to try to kill YED so that he and Sam can have a normal childhood, but, of course, that doesn’t work out. We also find out that Cas likes watching Dean when he’s sleeping. But they’re just friends. Uh-huh.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

   Lor:

ngggggg Cas

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

his LIPS

 Mace:

 I mean, honestly

 Lor:

YAAS

Lor:

tsk, Sammy, sneaking out while Dean is sleeping

 Mace:

oh Sammy, sneaking out

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

aw, Dean, get under the covers, baby

 Lor:

"Hello, Dean"

 Mace:

“hello, Dean”

 Mace:

 OMG

 Lor:

LOLOLOL

 Lor:

no Dean, he only likes to watch YOU sleep

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

 Marty McFly vibes

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

the little nods are SO GOOD

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

oh look, young John takes care of strangers better than Dad!John will take care of his own kids

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

I love that it takes Dean a minute

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

probably because based on the furniture in any house of anyone he's every liked, it still is the 70s

 Mace:

 omg yes, and all the motels

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

I love the screaming angel wings title card

 Mace:

me too!

 Mace:

 we’ve moved into the seizure-inducing era of the openings

 Lor:

LOL yep

 Mace:

 Cas’s HAIR

 Lor:

"well bend it back!"

 Lor:

YAAAAAAS

 Mace:

 I would LOVE to have that van

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

though I would take the Impala first

 Mace:

 of course

 Lor:

Dean Van Halen haaaahahahaha

 Mace:

DEAN VAN HALEN

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

"been any cattle mutilations in town lately?"

 Lor:

I love him

 Mace:

 SNORK

smooth, Dean

 Lor:

oh yes. super smooth, super subtle

 Mace:

 omg Dean in a mirthmobile I LOVE IT

 Lor:

YAAAAAS

 Lor:

I love Mary's shirt

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

"I'm going to hell. again."

 Mace:

“...again"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 that’s hilarious because I was just thinking in the last scene, “Is John…attracted to Dean here?"

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

 oh look, Dean’s now been abused by both parents

 Lor:

HA!

 Lor:

yep

 Lor:

"are you a hunter?" poor Dean. just upending his WHOLE life

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

"we're practically family"

 Lor:

"clearly not enough"

 Mace:

 HA

 Lor:

"Samuel and... Deanna?"

 Lor:

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 omg, I don’t think I caught that the first time around

 Lor:

I LOVE that Mary named her firstborn son after her MOTHER

 Lor:

I LOVE IT

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

omg Dean's face

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

 Lor:

"the web of information you have assembled"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 OMG FATHER!DEAN

 Lor:

OMG I forgot they both showed up separately in priest outfits!

 Mace:

 AM DED

 Lor:

"Father Chaney" haaaahahahaha

 Mace:

YAS

 Mace:

 he looks SO GOOD in that suit

 Lor:

RIGHT?!

 Mace:

 and I want Mary’s coat

 Lor:

YEP

 Lor:

dun dun DUN

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA YEP

 Lor:

that is SO MUCH fruit salad for four people

 Mace:

HA

 Mace:

 “who, where, and when” “why?” HAHAHA

 Lor:

LOL

 Lor:

you do not, Dean

 Mace:

 YEP

 Lor:

"what's he like?" oh, Dean

 Mace:

 right?

 Lor:

oh DEAN

 Lor:

his FACE

 Mace:

yeah, Mary, outsiders can’t break in

 Mace:

 right?!

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Lor:

him trying to make her not get killed in the future I CANNOT

 Lor:

OH DEAN

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

 Lor:

CAS APPEARING IN THE CAR

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

"Sam is not looking for you" OOOOF

 Mace:

 right?!

 Lor:

"oh, I care"

 Mace:

 he’ll feel guilty about it always of course

 Lor:

of course

 Lor:

god Dean's green eyes

 Mace:

 right?! He looks SO GOOD in this episode

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

man, I LOVE when he lays it all out for someone and then lowers his gun

 Mace:

YEP

 Mace:

 oh FUCK YOU SAMUEL

 Lor:

Samuel, you deserve everything you get, you putz

 Lor:

is bobby the ONLY father figure who ever tells Dean he's proud of him or similar when he's NOT possessed by a demon?

 Mace:

omg right?!

 Mace:

 Dean is SUS

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

aaaaaand now he gets to be assaulted by his grandfather. this boy needs so much therapy

 Mace:

oooh Angry Dean Thrown Against a Wall

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

the way this is almost sexual

 Mace:

 yeah it’s...weird

 Lor:

it is SO CREEPY

 Mace:

 SO. CREEPY.

 Lor:

god Dean's ANGER

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

Jensen kills this

 Mace:

he does

 Mace:

 oh Mary, you dummy

 Lor:

right?

 Lor:

also, why does she not remember?

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!?!

 Lor:

the Dean stuff gets wiped, but she should remember the demon deal?

 Lor:

you don't just forget that?

 Mace:

 correct

 Lor:

O.M.G. the way Cas and Dean look at each other there

 Mace:

the look on Dean’s face

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

"destiny can't be changed, Dean"

 Lor:

they way this becomes the theme of the whole SHOW

 Lor:

I love it

 Mace:

then why say “you have to stop it” Cas?!

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Lor:

so he would try, I guess?

 Mace:

 oh wait it was a reference to Sam I guess

 Lor:

I guess

 Mace:

 but it’s still bad writing

 Lor:

I feel like sometimes Cas wakes Dean up in the night now to apologize for doing this to him

 Mace:

 AW

 Lor:

i mean, it's so CRUEL. it definitely plagues Cas

 Lor:

yeah, it feels like the writing there is supposed to make you go "oh! i see" and instead you just go "eh?"

 Mace:

yep. I think we’re supposed to think it’s clever in hindsight, but instead it’s just slipshod and clumbsy

 Mace:

 wow, that b does not belong in there

  Lor:

LOL

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Rewatching What Is and What Should Never Be

Welcome to “Dean Dreams of Jeannie and Mowing and Dead Moms, Oh My!: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2,e20: What Is and What Should Never Be

 Dean is driving around alone while Sammy is researching lore on djinns. Sammy has Dean scoping out an area where he thinks the djinn might be hiding and taking victims. When Dean enters an abandoned warehouse, he’s attacked by a djinn and then wakes up in an apartment in Lawrence next to a beautiful woman named Carmen. The boys’ mom is alive, their dad died recently in his sleep, Sam is in law school, and Dean is a mechanic dating Carmen, a respectable nurse. But Sam and Dean are practically estranged, and since none of the Winchesters have ever been hunting things and saving people, a whole lot of people are dead who should have lived. It’s Dean’s version of a lovely life, conjured for him by the djinn, and he has to fight his desire for a normal life to get out of it.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Mace:

 chicks DO dig the danger vibe

  Lor:

 YES WE DO

Lor:

omg Dean and his TV habits. 60s SITCOMS. I love him

  Mace:

 YAS

he dreams of Jeannie

  Lor:

 YEAH HE DOES

I had a brief crush on the dude on that show as a kid

  Mace:

 HAHAHAHA awesome

I always wanted to BE her

i loved her little lamp pad

  Lor:

 ooo NICE

i had a crush on Samantha from Bewitched though

 the horror movie on TV

 THE NECKLACE AND NO SHIRT

  Mace:

 NICE

 YES and YAAASSS

  Lor:

 and it's not the samulet. because of course it isn't

  Mace:

 omg Sam’s little smile on the phone

 of course it isn't

  Lor:

 YES

and the closing the law book when he was doing lore research before

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 the kind of grimace in the kill

*kiss. omg

  Mace:

 HAHAHA OMG

  Lor:

 oh Dean. this bit kills me

 AND THE HORN

  Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 "I don't know" and his voice

  Mace:

 I wonder, do other djinn victims fight the illusion like this/are they aware something’s not right, or is it just Dean

  Lor:

 oooo interesting question

  Mace:

 ANGEL(s) ARE WATCHING OVER YOU, DEAN

  Lor:

 YEAH THEY ARE

  Mace:

 “you’re beautiful” DEAD

DEAN WINCHESTER, YOU NUGGET

  Lor:

 YES

he's such a sweetheart

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 her "excuse me"

  Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 omg my little touch-starved muffin

  Mace:

 RIGHT?!

  Lor:

 "no no I don't think they can really do it"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 he should be more excited

  Mace:

 i think he’s...concerned

  Lor:

 well, fair

 "everybody keeps asking me that but uh... no"

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 pets him

  Mace:

 “we’re civilians"

  Lor:

 YES

 Dean, honey, I'm gonna need you to pay more attention to things in the road, just generally

  Mace:

 snork

  Mace:

 omg his delight at mowing the lawn

  Lor:

 the look she gives him "what is with this one?"

 YES

and the music!

and he's bad at it

I love it

  Mace:

 that this is part of his perfect world is so flipping SAD

  Lor:

 YES

  Mace:

 his wants are so simple yet so unattainable

  Lor:

 YES

he just wants to have a cold beer on the step after mowing the lawn

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 he is SO HAPPY for everyone else

  Mace:

 YES

 “I’ve just got low standards” HAHAHA

she’s saucy

  Lor:

 YES

 oh Dean. your self-esteem, hon. maybe an angel could come along and tell you how awesome you are

  Mace:

 I need to know how much of this is the djinn and how much of it is the force of Dean’s will and his self-doubt skewing the illusion the djinn is trying to give him

  Lor:

 YES

 "so... respectable"

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 I wanna know what the necklace IS

  Mace:

 oooh yeah

  Lor:

 "why's it my job to save these people? why do I have to be some kind of hero?"

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 god the silent crying

  Mace:

 he’s Odysseus and Aeneas wrapped up in a SNACK BOX

 YES

  Lor:

 HAAAAAHAHAHA snack box omg

  Mace:

 takes a bow

  Lor:

 wow that bit is an echo from the pilot when Dean first comes into Sam's apartment. I don't think I ever realized that before

 "Sam, I'm sorry."

gaaaaaah

  Mace:

 yep and YEP

  Lor:

 "you're supposed to say jerk" ooof

  Mace:

 “what are you calling me a bitch for?"

  HAHAHAHA

YES

  Lor:

 YES

 I love how casual he is about taking the phone and throwing it out the window

  Mace:

 “oh, that’s hilarious"

 YES

  Lor:

 "we're not in Kansas anymore" DEAN I LUFF YOU

  Mace:

 YES

have we talked about the theory that you can’t go more than a week without hearing or seeing a reference to the wizard of oz?

  Lor:

 what NO?!

  Mace:

 this guy I went to grad school with posed the theory and it’s true. or at least it was 20 years ago

  Lor:

 iiiiinteresting

now I have to keep notes, of course

  Mace:

 we used to shout out “REFERENCE” every time we saw or heard one, which generally was more than once a week

  Lor:

 NICE

  Mace:

 I super love this version of the djinn

  Lor:

YES

he is cool and CREEEPY

  Mace:

 YES

and a creative interpretation of the myths

  Lor:

 "this is real? you're not crazy?"

 YES

  Mace:

 this is where I go a bit cross-eyed, though: HOW is he here and in the illusion at the same time?!

or does that gets explained and I just don’t remember

  Lor:

 I don't get how this works though. how can he be DREAMING and also be where this is actually happening? or is he slightly waking up and seeing her and then working it into the dream?

  Lor:

 HAAAAHAHAHA OMG MACE

  Mace:

 HAHAHAHAH OMG LOR

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

  Lor:

 lololololololol

 oh look, Dean's explaining it to us

  Mace:

 HA

  Lor:

 "like 90% sure"

  Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 "it's still better than anything you had"

gaaaaah

AND he still mostly gives the good things to other people

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 "get some rest"

does a little jig and sings a little song that goes "fuck 327"

  Mace:

 YAAASSS

 REFERENCE!

  Lor:

 Iiiiii might REALLY like it when he's sick-looking

 YAS

  Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

  Lor:

 ouch, Sammy, your head DANG

  Mace:

 always with the head

  Lor:

 yeah

Sam gets hit in the head, Dean gets sexually assaulted

there is SUCH a paper in there somewhere

  Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 oooof Carmen is a beer ad

oh Dean

 Sam is wearing that shirt I love

  Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 "yeah lucky me"

  Mace:

 OOOF

  Lor:

 "I wanted to stay. I wanted to stay so bad" gaaaaaah

  Mace:

 AAAAAAAAAA

  Lor:

 "it's worth it" and then the look on Dean's faaaaaaaace

  Mace:

 YEEEESSS

  Lor:

sigh one of my favs, that one

  Mace:

 it’s really good

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Rewatching Houses of the Holy

Welcome to “tHAt’S mIcHAel, rIGhT?: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2e13: Houses of the Holy

 The boys decide to check out a murder in which the murderer is convinced that an angel told her to do it, and as they're looking into that one, another murder happens with the same story from the perp. Turns out the victims were both sleazeballs and also regularly attended the same church. Dean's 100% skeptical, insisting it's a spirit and not an angel because of course angels don't exist since neither of them nor John have ever seen one. He's shocked and troubled, then, when he discovers that his little brother Sammy does, in fact, believe in angels. It turns out nobody here's been touched by an angel (yet - WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU, DEAN WINCHESTER); instead it's the vengeful spirit of a priest who was shot just outside the church and who is convinced he is an angel. By the end of the episode, Sam and Dean are both wavering in their respective convictions, and both give very good sad face puppy eyes.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Mace:

Oooooh, is this the one where Sammy gets religion, sort of?

 Lor:

YES

Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

and Dean is like "come on, Sam, there's clearly no angels and god and shit"

 Mace:

 sweet sweet innocent Dean not believing in those angels

 Lor:

ACCIDENTALLY AMAZING

 Mace:

 YAS

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

YAAASSS

 Mace:

 SAAAAMMMM

 Lor:

nrrrrggg SAMMEH

 Mace:

 DED

 Lor:

those SCRUBS

 Mace:

 can’t answer on account of being ded on floor

 Lor:

lolololol

 shall I poke you with a stick?

 Mace:

 rude.

 Lor:

lolololol

  Mace:

 rude but appropriate since poking is just what a certain angel will want to be doing to Dean later

 Lor:

SNORK

 Lor:

"and the word was... to kill someone?" oh Sammy. just WAIT

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA YES! unknowing BABIES

 Lor:

lol

 OMG DEAN

 Mace:

YAS

 “It’s kinda making me uncomfortable"

 Lor:

SNORK

 "my last quarter"

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

 Lor:

how do you think you're gonna do your laundry now, child?

 "there's no such thing as unicorns?" SAAMMMMY

 Lor:

"and you've got angels on the bullcrap list?"

 Mace:

 YAAASS

 Mace:

 oh Dean, one of those angels watches you, honey

 Lor:

YES

 poor Cas. he's just TWITCHING in heaven

 Mace:

can you imagine the scowl he’s making in heaven right now?

 HAHAHAHA OMG LOR

 Lor:

MACE OMG

 Mace:

 i love us so very much

 Lor:

YES

"Sam, I found it" DEAN WINCHESTER

 Mace:

 SUCH SNARK

 Lor:

I think he protests too much

like maybe he might like it to be true

 Mace:

YUP

 Mace:

that’s called hubris, Dean, and nemesis in the form of a hot angel is coming for you

 Lor:

 YAAAS

  Mace:

 or scared that it is true and he’s not worthy

 Lor:

ope YEP that's it

 Mace:

 takes a bow

 Lor:

curtsies like a dope

 Mace:

HAHAHA I LOVE IT

ewewew to the fingernail

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 the look they share

 Mace:

YES

 who stands there like a dummy and doesn’t get under a door frame?

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOL

 practice better angel earthquake hygiene, dude!

 Mace:

 HAHAHA hygiene!!

 Lor:

takes a bow

 Mace:

 not his forte, I think

 Lor:

noo, I suspect not

 Mace:

 but he’s polite, at least. introduces himself before he gets stabby

 Lor:

HA

 Mace:

“did you bring quarters?"

 DEAN WINCHESTER

 Lor:

poor Dean. has to listen to the police scanner rather than getting to hedonist

 aww, Sammy, don't be so mean

 Mace:

“what are you talking about I eat"

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

I was just thinking that

he loves to eat

 Mace:

HE DOES

 Lor:

"awww, I don't want to hear this"

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

"I guess if you're going to stab someone, good timing"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

ooooo this is the bit where Sam says "isn't that Michael" and is effectively pointing at Dean

 Mace:

OOOO YES

 Mace:

THERE IT IS

 so so cool

 Lor:

YAAAAS

 ACCIDENTALLY AMAZING

 Mace:

 YES

  Mace:

more loving than wrathful - that’s…not right

 Lor:

HA! it sure is not

 Lor:

except for Cas... mostly

  Mace:

 Cas turns good because of Dean

 Lor:

YESYESYES

  Lor:

ooo, that's interesting. Dean seems not to know the scripture but MUCH later he knows the Bible well and says he reads it. WHAT might happen to make him take an interest?

 Mace:

HAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 well, he did run out of quarters...

 Lor:

HAAAAAHAHAHAHA

  Mace:

 Dean is uncomfortable with Sammy having faith and that needs sussing out on so many levels

 Lor:

don't throw stones, Dean. praying will be very useful to you

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

the way he GRIPS him

 Mace:

So all the people who have been ‘chosen’ so far have been fringe - outsiders...

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

“glow sticks and a Dr Suess hat” omg

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

 Lor:

well THAT'S uncomfortable, Sammy. there are no thought crimes

 Mace:

 yeah this is awkward

 Lor:

oh Dean

she wasn't wrong, Dean

 Mace:

 angry little sad muffin

 Lor:

she didn't say they was watching over HER

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

oh, there will be hard proof

 Lor:

...sorrynotsorry

 Mace:

 SNORK!!

 Lor:

"hope Whoopi's available"

 Mace:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

 SPONGEBOB SIDE DOWN

 Lor:

“put it Spongebob side down”

 Lor:

OMG I LUFF HIM

 Mace:

YES

 Mace:

 tricky, Dean

 Lor:

YES

 Lor:

so COMPETENT

 Mace:

 nnnnggg YES

 Lor:

there's snow on the ground

 so unusual

 Mace:

 yeah I was just thinking about that

 Lor:

but of course

 Mace:

OF COURSE

 Mace:

 LALALALA not listening to Sammy’s Latin

 Lor:

haaaaaahahahahahaha

 Lor:

omg Sam's face

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

"actually maybe I can't"

 Lor:

I LUFF HIM TOO

 Mace:

snork

 YAS

 Lor:

"it's based on early Christian rights, if that helps any?"

 Mace:

oh Sammy’s face when he realizes it’s not an angel

 poor kitten

 Lor:

"it's just Father Gregory" he's so SAD

 Mace:

 Dean, bud, you’re not being very stealthy with the following

 Lor:

LOL

 what, you think someone would notice a GIANT black car from forty years before that growls?

 Mace:

SNORK!

 Mace:

SLIDING ACROSS THE HOOD TO CHECK ON HER

 AM DED

 Lor:

YES

thinking to reach in and hit the button so her door would unlock AND asking not just if she's okay but if she has a cell phone

 Mace:

 YESYESYES

 Lor:

poor Thomas

 Mace:

Sammy’s puppy eyes

 I CANNOT

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

yeah, poor Thomas BUT SAMMY

 SO CUTE

 Lor:

lol

 aw man, pick someone else. Raphael's a jerk

 Mace:

 they’re all a-holes (except that one)

 Lor:

lol

 Mace:

(you know, that Cas one)

 (he’s pretty okay)

 Lor:

Gabe is... okayish? eventually?

 (lol yeah, he's okay. he can stay)

 Mace:

 (in fact, you could say he’s okeydokey)

 Lor:

(haaaahahahahaha)

 Mace:

 Gabe is awesome but also a huge a-hole

 Lor:

mmm. fair

 mrrrrrg Baby

 poor Dean. he's shook

 Mace:

HE IS

 the decor in this room is…CLASSY

 Lor:

HA

 oh Sam

 Mace:

 both of them are shook and for opposite reasons I LOVE IT

 Lor:

YESYESYES

 "I'm watching out for you"

 I CANNOT

 Mace:

 he’s just one person but he’s also DEAN WINCHESTER and I think that counts as a bit more than just one person

 Lor:

AGREED

 Mace:

 I’d be okay with him watching out for me

 Lor:

YES

 "maybe... God's will"

 Mace:

 Cas. You can call it Cas, Dean. IT WAS CAS

 Lor:

oooof the two of them

 Lor:

OOOOOOOO

 Lor:

I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

 Lor:

I LOVE THAT

 Mace:

takes another bow

 Lor:

curtsies even more dopily

 Mace:

 That whole “it’s god’s will” bit is so…OOOOF

 Lor:

yeah

 Mace:

 he will look back one day and CRINGE at that

 Lor:

YEP

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things

Welcome to “Accidentally Amazing: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s2e4: Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things.

  Sammy wants to visit their mom’s grave, and Dean is not about it. He grumpily tags along, but he comes up with a mystery in the graveyard. Convenient—avoid those feelings! Sam thinks that’s *exactly* what Dean is doing, and it takes a bit for him to get on board. But weirdly recurring dead plants, sightings of someone who should be dead, and strangely connected deaths eventually convince him. The boys discover some pretty skeezy necromancy nonsense from a college boy resurrecting the girl he loved and along the way meet a humanities professor who must have made a demon deal for that office and yell at each other about their feelings some. In the end, as they are leaving town, Dean pulls Baby off the side of the road, and the boys perch on her hood while Dean tearfully confesses to Sam that he’s sure John sacrificed himself so Dean could live and that he can’t bear it.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

  Mace:

 "I'm dealing with dad's death!" and then cut to him power sawing a dude's head off

  Lor:

 ooof YEP

so your laugh for today: I picked up the remote and turned on the TV and then I set it down somewhere and COULD NOT FIND IT. just me, spinning around in the living room doing a head tilt like "I JUST HAD IT"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA if it was actually in your hand, then BEEN THERE

  Lor:

 LOLOL

I do that with my phone ALL THE TIME

 Mace:

 I once spent an entire conversation on the phone with my mom quietly...looking for my phone

 HAHAHAHA OMG

  Lor:

 lololololololol

 the remote was just... wait for it: on the arm of the couch

SO HARD TO SEE

 Mace:

 oh sure 

  Lor:

 mmmm Baby rumble

 Mace:

 YAS

  Lor:

 WHO IS THIS UNCLE

 Mace:

 right?!

  Lor:

 WHY DID HE NOT CHECK ON HIS NEPHEWS

 Mace:

 exactly

 you've never been awkward at small talk, Dean, like, ever

  Lor:

 these two honestly had the WORST male relatives

 LOL

 Mace:

 YUP

 Sammy, dude, bury that a little more maybe?

  Lor:

 lol

 Mace:

 Dean's v-neck and his rolled-up sleeves...

  Lor:

 YES

 ope, feelings HANG ON A MYSTERY. whew. saved

 Mace:

 HAHAHAH YAS

 Also? Dean would never have walked into a dead circle like that unwittingly

  Lor:

 NOPE

 and what is that other necklace he's wearing?

 Mace:

 what other necklace?

  Lor:

 he had like a chain in that other scene

 Mace:

 oh wait i see it now

  Lor:

 oh you can JUST see it here

yeah

 Mace:

 if only we could just hook a finger underneath it and pull it out...

  Lor:

 IF ONLY

 Mace:

 (just kilt myself)

  Lor:

 (lololol)

 Mace:

 oh right, the "professor of Greek Studies" who has a ginormous office

  Lor:

 SNORK

 Mace:

 most unlikely thing that ever happens on this show, hands down

  Lor:

 YEP

 Sammy's "come on, Dean" face

 Mace:

 vampires? sure. demons? okay. Lucifer as a hoot? no problem. a well-appointed Classics office? I draw the line.

  Lor:

 CORRECT

 Mace:

 YES to Sam's face

and I love his shirt

  Lor:

 for me it's when they draw blood by putting a needle not in a vein

 Mace:

 and his stupid messy hair

  Lor:

 YAS

 Mace:

 nope, still more possible than a well-budgeted humanities department

  Lor:

 hahahahahahah fair

  Lor:

 look, Sam, you aren't wrong, but also? a perfect circle of dead grass?

 Mace:

 Sammy's tendency toward counseling shining through here

 HAHAHA YEP

  Lor:

 omg Sammy's soft voice when he says "Dean, where you going?"

 Mace:

 YES

 OH. I just remembered what this ep is about. ick.

  Lor:

 yeeeah

 Mace:

 she's not also the woman who plays whatsherbucket, is she?

Lisa? Linda?

  Lor:

 Lisa? I don't think so but the resemblance is WILD

 Mace:

 "waiwaiwaiwait"

I love it when Dean does that

  Lor:

 YES

  Lor:

 aw, Alan Stanwyck, you're so cute

 Mace:

 RIGHT?!

 "great."

HAHAHA

  Lor:

 the handing the tissue hahahahahaha

 Mace:

 YES

Sammy would be so much better at this

 Lor:

 lol he would

omg Dean's face. it's so DUMB I LOVE IT

 Mace:

OMG LOR I WAS JUST THINKING THAT

 Mace:

 his stupid perfect lower lip

  Lor:

 LOLOL OMG YAS US

 YES

 the face he made at Sam when he came in

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 this is why Sam interrupts him and Cas. payback

 Mace:

 HAAAAHAHAHAHA OMG

  Lor:

 Matt was the only douche fratboy dudebro in history with a bunch of plants in his apartment

 Mace:

 SNORK YES

  Lor:

 the things Dean quotes

 Mace:

 yeah

  Lor:

 omg these two

 Mace:

 I looked that one up recently and it's not whence I thought it would be

i was disappointed

  Lor:

 their brother banter. I luff

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 is this the one we all think is Shakespeare and it's not?

 that's probably fine

 Mace:

 yeah. I thought it was a reference to Medea and lots of people think it's Shakespeare but it's Congreve, I guess

 Mace:

 "what are these" NOT GREEK

  Lor:

 ah. well. Congreve. of course

 LOLOLOLOLOL

  Lor:

 take a breath, Dean, honey

 Mace:

 oh DEAN

  Lor:

 "what's dead should stay dead" huh?

 Mace:

 two times over he thinks he doesn't deserve it

  Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 which time coming back from the dead does he kind of give this up? I mean I know never actually, but it stops being a main spoken theme at some point

  Lor:

 poor Prof Mason. does he ever find out what was going on with the poor guy who was having some kind of strange breakdown in his living room?

who is calmed by plants?

 Mace:

 HAHAHAHA yeah

  Lor:

 omg his swallowing

 Mace:

 YES and Sam's DIMPLE

  Lor:

 "I hear you. I’m being an ass. I'm sorry" I need some people to put that on a card and remember they can say it sometimes

 Mace:

 "our lives are weird, man"

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 oo, good question back there

he certainly does not have that attitude by the time Mary comes back

 Mace:

 I mean mostly about himself yeah?

  Lor:

 mmm yeah

  Lor:

 "feed their hearts to wild dogs. that's my personal favorite"

 Mace:

 SNORK!

 DUCKY LOVE OMG DEAN WINCHESTER

  Lor:

 lololol

 Mace:

 He loves Pretty in Pink

  Lor:

 is that… a Sixteen Candles ref

 Mace:

 I'm pretty sure it's PiP

  Lor:

 okay. whichever one is it, OMG DEAN

 Mace:

 (just looked, it's PiP)

 AND YES

  Lor:

 there is no media he will not watch and I LOVE THAT

 Mace:

 YUP

 "it takes two to..." HAHAHA

  Lor:

 it is such a cool little character thing and it makes sense given how much time he probably spent as a kid in a motel room with nothing to do but watch whatever was on the tv

 lolol

 Mace:

 oh AGREED

and I suspect that it's unintentional - just funny clever references the writers slipped in - but yes it makes Dean that much more layered

  Lor:

 (Dean watches Hallmark Christmas movies. all December. definitely)

 YEP

so much of the show is like that

accidentally amazing

 Mace:

 (ABSOLUTELY)

 agreed.

 "your girlfriend's past her expiration date"

  Lor:

 "past their expiration date"

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 YES

 Mace:

 HAHAHA

  Lor:

 boy John sure fucked Dean up

 Mace:

 YUP

that's the show

  Lor:

 LOL

YES

“They fuck you up your mom and dad, they don't mean to but they do...”

course John didn't so much not mean to as just... not think about anything ever

 Mace:

 think Dean reads Larkin?

  Lor:

 absolutely

 Mace:

 prolly

  Lor:

 there's a second false button in Baby's trunk that not even Sam knows about and it's just all of Dean's books

 Mace:

HAHAHAHA YES

 Mace:

 Every time they visit Bobby, Bobby manages somehow to sneak a new volume in there for Dean. Neither ever speak of it.

  Lor:

 OMG YES

 Mace:

 Ope, buhbye, Neal

  Lor:

 LOLOLOL

don't let your creepy necromancy hit you on the way out

 Mace:

 SNORK

 Mace:

 Warren (Buffy) is still WAAAY worse

  Lor:

 YEP

 Mace:

 the...bodily sounds in this ep are extra ew

  Lor:

 they really are

 Mace:

 omg the knee slide

  Lor:

 omg Dean's slide into the grave

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YAS

  Lor:

 YES

 oh Dean, honey

 Mace:

 YUP

 Mace:

 "pretty sharp"

  Lor:

 YES

 you weren't actually dead, baby. it's okay

 Mace:

 (not yet at least)

  Lor:

 (yeah)

 Mace:

 the way he looks away from Mary's grave and walks head half down to the car

GAH

  Lor:

 YES

 the way this particular episode is bookended by Mary's grave is really interesting when you know that she’s gonna come back later

 Mace:

 oh YES great point!

  Lor:

 accidentally amazing

 Mace:

 HAHAHA YES

  Lor:

 omg DEEEEEAN

 Mace:

 YESYESYES

  Lor:

 there's his DUMB FACE again

 Mace:

 DO NOT CRY, DEAN DO NOT

I CANNOT TAKE IT

  Lor:

 RIGHT?

  Lor:

 if Dean and Willow cried in front of me at the same time, I would in fact cease to exist

 Mace:

 CORRECT

  Lor:

 "you wanted to know how I was feeling. well, that's it. what could you possibly say to me to make that all right?"

 Mace:

 the way Sam looks at him, SO CONCERNED because this isn't NORMAL for Dean

  Lor:

 diiiiiiies

 YES

 Mace:

 YES

  Lor:

 and the way he knows it from the MOMENT he pulls the car over

and it just gets worse and worse

holds them both

 Mace:

 YES

 also: his way of paying respect to his mom is to work the case and Sam's is to talk to her

  Lor:

 YES

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Salvation

Welcome to “Truck Size Apparently Matters Too: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

 Up today, s1e21: Salvation.

  Sam, Dean, and John are hot on the trail of the Yellow-Eyed Demon and think they have a good lead on where he will strike next. But then Demon Meg issues an ultimatum: John comes alone with the Colt or lots of people start dying. So Sam and Dean take off for Yellow Eyes and John goes to deliver a fake Colt, knowing that it won't trick anyone but may buy the boys some time. Things...don't go well on either end, although Sam and Dean do have a nice brotherly moment in the car. And Dean holds a baby.

 Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here.  Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

 [and we begin:]

 Mace:

i love that they seem to think priests just hang out at the pulpit all day

 Lor:

lolol

right?

also, isn't this pastor Jim? the trappings of this church do not look like he'd be a pastor

 Mace:

yeah I don't remember

 but the catholic church doesn't call their clergy pastors, I don't think?

 Lor:

yeah

 Mace:

 poor guy, anyway

 Lor:

he could be... Episcopalian? I thiiink? their churches would look like that? but I still don't think they'd be called pastors

 Lor:

mmmm sammy's polo over a long sleeved t-shirt

 Mace:

interesting. i have no idea what their nomenclature is like

 YAS

 Lor:

oh my boys

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

of course john is in front with his jacked up monster truck of penile fortitude

 Mace:

YUP

 "at Jim's place"? the church is his "place"? Weird

 Lor:

yeah

weird

 he makes "you got any better ideas" sound like "fuck you" and FUCK HIM

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

does he HEAR himself?

 Mace:

 and then the little emotional display because he wanted the boys to know how 'sad' he is? UGH

 Lor:

he dragged his poor babies all over everywhere and fucked them up and wouldn't answer their calls when they were DYING but “ooooh, Pastor Jim died. End it. no matter what it takes”

BLECK

 Mace:

YUP

FUUUUCK YOU JOHN

 omg the raised eyebrows when he sees the girl

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 sweet little pumpkin of a hedonist

 Lor:

YES

and just a hint of "ah. I have an in for getting info"

 Mace:

yep

 Lor:

how many shirts is he wearing?

three? under the jacket?

 Mace:

SNORK!!

it's raining and he's chilly

 Lor:

yeah

 Lor:

maybe he needs some snuggles

 Mace:

 muffin needs layers

 Lor:

LOL

 Mace:

 YES YES HE DOES

 Mace:

   Lor:

lololol

 Mace:

 Monica is adorable

 Lor:

she IS

 Mace:

CREEPY CLOWN MOBILE

NOPENOPENOPE

 Lor:

WHO PUTS THAT IN THEIR KID'S ROOM

 Mace:

RIGHT?!?!

honestly

 Lor:

go OFF, Dean

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

go off more than that, baby

"I'm not crazy about this new tone of yours" HE IS 27 YEARS OLD, JOHN

 Mace:

 RIGHT?! My god, just fuck right off you asshole

 Lor:

interesting how much Dean is (literally) in the background in this episode

 Mace:

 yeah

 Lor:

"it doesn't really matter"

 Mace:

 "so you think Meg is a demon?" HAHAHAHA that seems like such a silly question at this point

 Lor:

LOL

 "I want you to go to school. I want Dean to have a home" like the only time he ever thinks about them, right there

 Mace:

yep

like, maybe you should have thought of that YEARS AGO, ASS

 Lor:

RIGHT?

 Mace:

you want those things for them, but only after YOU get what YOU want

that's not parenting

that's not putting your kids first

 Lor:

and does he realize that HE is the reason his boys don't have those things? it's not the demon, it's HIM

 Mace:

 that's literally putting them second

 Lor:

YES

 the way Dean's voice cracks when he says "you're no good to us dead"

 Mace:

ooof

 Ugh, I hate that John's such a fox. It's annoying because I need to hate him completely.

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOL RIGHT?

 if he had a soul, he would (well, first, he wouldn't have done all this) but he would have wrapped Dean up in a crushing hug before he left

  Mace:

EXACTLY

but NOOOOO, that's not manly

 Lor:

nope

but that's what Dean wants. he wants his DAD. the dude who picked him up and asked him if they should throw the football around with Sammy

 Mace:

 yep

 not to mention Sammy, who gets to sit back and watch this angsty tragedy play out and also doesn't get any love himself

 Lor:

YEP

 "naaaah" omg Dean's face

 Mace:

 don't you have to be an actual priest to bless water?

 Lor:

a REALLY feel like you have to be a priest to do this

 Lor:

HAHAHA

 Mace:

HAAAHAHAHAHA

 Mace:

 #US

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 when John does it, it just turns to jagweed water

 Lor:

SNORK

 Mace:

 oh SAMMY

 Lor:

YES

 Mace:

 Dean needs this right now and Sammy knows

 Lor:

and the way Dean is completely taken aback by this

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

oh Dean

 Mace:

 I don't like Meg but I do love her haircut

 Lor:

lol YES

 Mace:

how did John not realize that they'd of course test it

 Mace:

 numbnuts

 Lor:

yeah

maybe he did though

I mean, i don't put it past him to go off on what he suspects is a suicide mission/trap and not even hug his kiddos first

little turd

 Mace:

oh yeah, that's a fair point

  omg Meg is such a bad actor: "HOLY. WATER. JOHN. REAL. CUTE."

 Lor:

LOLOLOLOL

 in a SHOCK, John doesn’t answer the phone

  Mace:

SNORK!

such a twist to the story, that

 Lor:

lol

 Mace:

 Dean with a baby in his arms is peak ovary asplosion

 Lor:

YES

 oh Dean. he's gonna need a hug after this rescue. AND NO ONE'S GONNA GIVE IT TO HIM

  Mace:

 do you volunteer, Katniss?

 Lor:

I DO

 Mace:

 so many shocking twists today...

 Lor:

SO many

 Lor:

"i don't care! I DO!"

 Mace:

 YES

 Lor:

everybody STOP trying to sacrifice themselves and leave Dean bereft

 Mace:

 yes, because DeanDean NEVER has that notion. EVER.

 Lor:

NEVAH

 Lor:

aaaand that's the complete turn around from the pilot

 Mace:

 YUP

 how many times does Dean get slammed into a wall in this show? We should start a tally

  Lor:

YES

 "sometimes I feel like I’m barely holding it together, man" DEEEEEAN

 Lor:

(sometimes, baby? all the time. I hear angels are good at helping with that)

 Mace:

 (YAS)

 Mace:

 [in reference to Dean saying that Mary is never coming back, which echoes Sam saying this in the pilot]:

(it also makes no sense either time. They are, in fact, never coming back. Why does that make the boys so angry?)

  Lor:

yeah, I dunno

 Lor:

maybe they read it as some kind of disrespect to their memory? the suggestion that it might not be worth it to get revenge?

 Mace:

I suspect that yeah, that’s what they’re going for, but the writing is weird, then. Because it’s just a simple statement of fact with no hint that they don’t care that they’re gone. Just that nothing is going to bring them back. No hint of “it’s not worth it/their memory isn’t worth it” or whatever. I just think they could have written the dialogue better in both cases to make such violent reactions make some bit of sense